Speaker 1 0:02

Welcome to this week's edition of the Dan Rayburn podcast, the show that curates the streaming media industry news that matters most, unvarnished, unscripted and providing you with the factual data you need to know, without any of the hype, the Pulse of the streaming media industry.

Speaker 2 0:20

Welcome to the Dan Rayburn podcast. I'm Dan Rayburn. We're back for another episode. This is actually Mark our 90th episode, which is pretty incredible, and it also is the timing for some if you're a Mets fan in New York to start opening season today, since yesterday was rained out, and that is relevant because we're going to start off with some news around baseball.

Speaker 3 0:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 0:44

Which popped up over the last couple days. So first thing was, a few days ago, fubo announced that they're adding to their content. They already carry over 35 RSNs in their base package alone for sports, but they also announced a deal with yes, so that's now included in their pro base channel. What's interesting is just how crazy baseball has gotten, as far as where you can or can't watch the games which we're going to go into in a minute. We were discussing this before we started, but on the Fubo news, fubo offers the ability to get MLB Network, msg, sny, yes and NESN, new England Sports Network all of which YouTube TV doesn't have by the way.

Speaker 3 1:28

That's right. Youtube TV doesn't have any of those Impressive lineup.

Speaker 2 1:31

So those are mostly New York-related teams, so relevant. If you're into New York teams, maybe you could care less. Youtube TV doesn't have them. If you're not in this area, not, that's fine. Youtube TV doesn't have them. If you're not in this area, you're not, that's fine. Also, a day later, fubo announced new marketing partnerships with the Cleveland Guardians, houston Astros, seattle Mariners and Texas Rangers. This is for in-stadium digital branding. Also some fan engagement opportunities and free trials through the teams as well. And then news also came out that, just in time for the season, which was yesterday, we're recording this on Friday, march 29th, but Hulu added Major League Baseball Network to the.

Speaker 2 2:15

Hulu Plus Live TV Core channel lineup so good for baseball fans there. That is one of actually, mark, that is the number one request I see on Twitter by YouTube. Tv fans.

Speaker 2 2:28

YouTube TV. Fans want that back on YouTube TV and I check YouTube TV and Twitter, the support page, probably every other day. That is still the number one thing that I see nonstop Now baseball man between all the RSNs and then the diamond stuff, and then where can you see certain teams? Some teams have blackout restrictions through MLBtv, others do not. Some teams have gone direct through Major League Baseball. We just had that news announced as well.

Speaker 2 3:02

Yeah, uh, I forget, I forget which team that was um, but to give listeners sort of just an idea in terms of how crazy this can be for um, for some teams. So if you're a yankees fan which I'm not, uh, just to see, let's. Let's talk about the next just couple weeks of games. Yeah, you have to have Apple TV, then you have the next game on Fox, just the next three games, apple TV, fox, and then, yes, yeah, but the Yankees also cut a deal with Amazon where Wednesday night games are on Prime Video. And then you've got Major League Baseball Network, mlbn, which is covering some of the games with the Yankees as well, but that's only for out of market.

Speaker 3 3:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:49

So it is just absolutely confusing to figure out. Yeah, it really is. Are you thinking of the Reds? Because the Reds are on broadcast TV when they are not on Fox, Apple TV Plus or ESPN.

Speaker 3 4:17

Well, I'm never thinking of the Reds, to be honest.

Speaker 2 4:18

No offense, yeah that's right, but yeah, I don't, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 4:23

I saw the news, the other day, yeah, and it's even hard to keep track because there's so many carve-outs in all these announcements that even when you read something, you know that some team is going direct through their own D2C platform or service, right, right. And then you read the details, you're like, well, that's not really true.

Speaker 2 4:44

And then some are bundled with certain pay TV packages but only depending on the package you're on as well.

Speaker 2 4:52

That was something else that I noticed. So that's, you know, confusing. You know, for instance, the Boston Red Sox you know NESN 360 is $30 a month or $330 for the year, but you can also get that through FUBU, fubo, fubo, fubo, fubo. You know NESN 360 is $30 a month or $330 for the year, yeah, but you can also get that through Fubo, fubo, fubo, fubo, fubo. Jeez, I keep doing this. But then also you have to look at what you get with DirecTV, because if you have DirecTV, it comes with DirecTV Stream.

Speaker 3 5:16

DirecTV Stream, that's right.

Speaker 2 5:17

And that offers some yeah Also for instance, chicago White Sox. I know they're on Hulu Live TV, hulu Plus Live TV. So yeah, it's confusing with the ballet sports and the bankruptcy restructuring and all of that. We'll have to see how that plays out. But, as I've mentioned many times before in the podcast, mlb could care less about fans, could absolutely care less, right, Because this is not a great fan experience. It's a lot of money for the league and party conversations with teams and leagues.

Speaker 3 6:07

And you know the agents hold a tremendous amount of power. Now, you know there's like player agents and there's, you know, but and again, I really know nothing about the world of sports, but you know, I guess I just know, and I've heard it at multiple people where you know the conversation goes like this you know, well, you know why isn't this team? And then somebody says, well, the agent doesn't believe in that approach. And I'm sitting here.

Speaker 2 6:36

Which agent? Agent for who?

Speaker 3 6:38

There's like agents that represent or broker these relationships. Dan, I don't really know. You know like we're not talking necessarily the player, these aren't the player agents but they represent the teams.

Speaker 3 6:51

You know they represent like, like the teams. I'm just saying that I have heard multiple conversations and gotten feedback when there's been discussions among industry people, um, about you know why. You know this. This team is going, you know, is building a DTC. This one is not. This one's trying to strike a deal, you know, with Amazon and all the all of this. And the commentary routinely was it came down to an agent and the agent didn't believe. Or the agent liked this other platform, or the agent thought, you know, I just wonder if that's true, you know.

Speaker 2 7:27

Yeah, so I I I mean hard to know, I don't know what an agent is referencing, but the bottom line is this is this is really up to the teams if they own the rights to it, which they know?

Speaker 3 7:35

but I'm just telling you, dan, I have heard and you know any listeners who might be able to off the record or give us some insight. It would be interesting.

Speaker 2 7:42

The record or give us some insight? It would be interesting. Well, so I did talk to a, an executive at a at a major league team actually, the other day, who I know, who I was hoping to get into the streaming summit at any B show, but just they can't. With baseball season having just started, I think I will be able to bring them for the next event, which would be interesting for them to to come and talk to. But you know, it really comes down to the strategy for every teams and to come and talk to.

Speaker 3 8:08

But you know, it really comes down to the strategy for every team.

Speaker 2 8:09

So the one I was thinking of, mark, that I couldn't name before I totally forgot was the padres. Uh, right, so so the padres have padrestv um and, just like they did last year, you can go direct and pay 20 a month. But it's for um in market, right, they're offering in market, and so they are one of the teams that are working with major league baseball. To go direct, you can still get it on Fubo. Now, if you're already a pay TV subscriber direct TV, cox, at&t, you versus spectrum you can get it through their channels.

Speaker 3 8:38

You have, you have access.

Speaker 2 8:39

However, keep in mind that you can't get the games even in market if it's a national exclusive.

Speaker 3 8:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 8:47

So, if that game is, what does ESPN have now? Monday night baseball? No, sunday night baseball. Sunday, you wouldn't be able to get it if the Padres were one of those teams. So, again, more confusion. But we're going to see more of this. We already know that the MLB commissioners made it very clear that he'd like to work with teams to go direct and that he wants to put together a package of at least a dozen or more teams that he feels they need to have for in market, which is key Because right now you can get out of market through MLBTV.

Speaker 3 9:18

But yeah, talk about confusion, it's just not tenable, and none of this makes sense.

Speaker 2 9:24

It doesn't make sense. But the problem is money is what drives decisions here. So again, like, the fan is being overlooked. If these teams are going to get more money this way, they're going to continue to do it.

Speaker 3 9:32

But the assumption is that the fans are going to follow. What if the fans kind of throw? You know and look, there's always a diehard, diehard, diehard group that will run over nails to watch their team. But that's not. I don't know. I can't believe. That's where all the dollars really are.

Speaker 2 9:53

It's got to be in the long tail. I hope to your point, Mark that over time this backfires and they start thinking about what the fan experience is and they start putting money over fans. Because, to your point, I look at the teams in MLB and they're just playing checkers here.

Speaker 2 10:08

They're not playing chess, they're not thinking the long-term survivability of fan engagement. And the other thing I'll mention again that we've talked about is I've got some friends who want to go to the opening games and whatnot. They don't have the money to go 10, 15 times a year and yet they're young, and so MLB keeps saying, oh, we want these young fans, young fans. And it's like, well, you have to remember that your core base is not a 20 year old and they're not the ones who can afford to go to a game which is now a couple hundred dollars between tickets and food and parking. So you're alienating, in some cases, your core fans that have the money to actually afford this. And that's to your point, mark is, if they alienate enough of them and they see an issue there in terms of revenue total revenue, which they have to look at, concessions, all of that Maybe they'll rethink the business a bit. Maybe they'll rethink it.

Speaker 2 11:01

I hope they do. Money drives some decisions for sure. So a couple other news things here. Mark, again on baseball, we're talking about NESN, new England Sports Network, which carries Boston sports teams, so that includes Red Sox and Bruins. You can now tune into games by tapping a dedicated link on ESPN's app or on ESPNcom. So, for instance, sportsnet Pittsburgh, which is operated by NESN. They're going to be added down the line. So the way this works is, the streams are not being housed within the ESPN app. It's simply serving as a portal to the RSN telecast, which, okay cool. It's simply serving as a portal to the rsn telecast, which okay cool. But is that really providing an easier way to find the games? No, I think if you're a fan, you're not going to espn's app to figure out what time my team starts. Yeah, you're downloading mlb app and you're following your team that way. So, okay, I guess that cool, but I really don't see that as a big deal, to be honest.

Speaker 3 12:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:09

We've got some other sports news this week, mark. The biggest one here is that NBCU and NFL announced that Peacock will get another exclusive game. This is going to be the first ever regular season game in Brazil which will stream on a Friday, interesting September 6th. I don't have a start time on that and also we only have one of the teams, philadelphia Eagles, be one of the two teams playing. Second, one hasn't been announced. What's going to be interesting here is start time. That's going to certainly dictate some of the viewership and also just who is the other team. I'll probably get hate mail here, but sorry, philadelphia Eagle fans, like, you're just not a, you're not a main city team, so you know, if it another team that uh, just doesn't have a huge following, a large city, I don't think we're going to have large viewership here. Yeah, but let's see what we have. But there's another exclusive national, national game going to peacock yeah, interesting some additional sports news here.

Speaker 2 13:18

Amazon just continuing to rack up more live video rates for sports. They've agreed to a sub-licensing deal with Viaplay to exclusively broadcast 38 Premier League games a season in Sweden and Denmark until the end of 2028. So more games for them there. Moving on to non-sports news, but fast news, spe. So Sony Pictures Entertainment has announced the launch of 54 fast channels across Europe and these are now on LG channels. They're fast service, samsung TV+ and TiVo+. I had no idea TiVo+ was still a thing, to be honest, even though I'm still rocking TiVo's TiVo Romeos from back in the days at home.

Speaker 3 14:06

Wow.

Speaker 2 14:07

Yeah, and still so. Sony One Channels are going to be curated and programmed for local markets in those different territories, which makes total sense and, in the region's native language, smart. You obviously have to do that, and the territories at launch are going to include the UK, france, italy, germany, spain, sweden, a bunch of others as well. So more fast channel news. Of course, we've gotten no real fast data in the last couple weeks or months of anything tied to anyone's fast business. Data in the last couple of weeks or months of anything tied to anyone's fast business, yeah, so we still don't know how fast is doing from a, uh, profit and loss standpoint.

Speaker 2 14:49

Now, next week, disney's having their annual meeting of shareholders, which is being held on April 3rd, and the board meeting is going to be streamed live on Disney's Disneycom, their investor relations page. So I'm going to have to see what on disney's disneycom, their investor relations page. So I'm gonna have to see what comes of this. Because nelson pelts, who's trying to get a seat on the board, uh, his firm um is running online ads in an attempt to get disney shareholders attention in the proxy battle. Thought it was interesting I was getting those ads on on twitter, but this is a highly highly contested proxy battle for board seats, yeah, and, depending what happens here could truly impact what happens with Disney and their content services and their strategy going forward.

Speaker 2 15:38

So this has to be clearly watched. So this has to be clearly watched. Also, people don't know both Nelson Peltz firm and Disney have both put out their own PDFs with extremely detailed presentations of strategy numbers what they would do if they had board seats, how they would change the business Disney's put out. Well, here's how we're already changing what our strategy is. If there's one thing we've gotten from this Mark is an insane amount of information and insight. And look into what Disney's thinking about their business, yeah, which historically, we never had this degree.

Speaker 3 16:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:16

So this will be very interesting. I hope either way, whatever happens here, that after this just it settles down. There is nothing good about a proxy battle. There's nothing good about this for Disney it's taking time and focus away.

Speaker 3 16:31

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 16:32

And it's being done at a time when they can't afford to lose focus on their business.

Speaker 3 16:37

That's right.

Speaker 2 16:37

So, either way, I hope this is going to be put to rest soon. Let's move on to some other Disney news. So, for those that don't know, hulu on Disney Plus launched earlier this week in the US for Disney bundle subscribers. Now, mark, I think people in our industry are making frankly too big of a focus on this. I don't frankly know why. I don't frankly know why, but if listeners don't understand, what's here is basically that the new experience allowed bundled subscribers to stream Hulu content directly in the Disney app. So Hulu is now just another tile in D+ Sure, just like National Geographic or whatnot. There's still some functionality missing, so things you might have been doing in the Hulu app haven't all been carried over. But also, it's important to highlight this, and I've yet to see anybody who's covering this news do this. The fine print on Disney's Plus website when you go to sign up says not all Hulu titles are available on Disney Plus because of content licensing restrictions, so you're not getting all content from Hulu.

Speaker 3 17:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:48

Now how much? Which ones aren't? I can't tell. There's no list. This also does not include Hulu plus live TV, obviously, so it's missing some functionality, missing some content. This was tested for three-month beta, yeah, and the reason this was tested and they came out and said this was really to give parents enough of a heads up that, hey, when we roll this out, you might need to do parental controls. Disney Plus content okay, it's kid-friendly. Hey, there's a whole bunch of Hulu content that is not yeah bunch of Hulu content.

Speaker 2 18:21

That is not so. That is something they were doing quite a bit in terms of just educating on the parental control side.

Speaker 1 18:30

what might need to be done?

Speaker 2 18:32

And then you know, finally, just why would they do this? Well, the main goal for Disney here is just to try and convert standalone Disney plus customers into the two services combined, especially from a content recommendation standpoint. Hey, you saw this in Disney Plus. You may not know we have this content in Hulu that's similar. Why don't you sign up for Hulu and get a bundle? So that's the goal here. I think it makes sense. Hulu's not going away. That's the goal here. I think it makes sense. Hulu's not going away. You can still watch content.

Speaker 3 19:05

Hulu only app. Yeah, exactly, the standalone apps remain.

Speaker 1 19:11

Yes.

Speaker 2 19:12

Not changing.

Speaker 3 19:12

Yeah, they're not changing at all.

Speaker 2 19:22

It makes total sense. And then a final note here is remember that Disney doesn't disclose how many subscribers take its streaming bundles. So when they report subscriber numbers at the end of the quarter, we don't truly understand who's taking what in what bundle, and this will make that a little murkier. Yeah, so we're just not going to know there. Let's cover just a few more pieces of news.

Speaker 2 19:42

Mark, uh, let's talk about, let's talk about the new sports JV between Warner Bros, discovery, disney and Fox. Uh, interesting, how much time I think that people are spending talking about this in the industry from a quote analyst standpoint, when we have no details in the industry from a quote analyst standpoint, when we have no details. So I heard two analysts going on and on about this through through another media property saying well, because this is going to be 50 to $60, here's the percentage of people that won't take it, here's how many subscribers they get, here's how much money you can make. And it's like guys, you have no idea that it's 50 or $60, none. And then we heard rumors it's going to start off at 40, but there'd be a discount, also being that we've had the CEO of one of the companies I forget, I believe it was Fox come out and said remember that they were targeting a couple million subscribers within five years.

Speaker 3 20:37

Yeah, that's right when you're talking a couple million subscribers.

Speaker 2 20:41

The difference between $50 and $60 is the difference between it being profitable and $10 is huge. That's 20% of the price. So you can't calculate numbers. Well, I shouldn't say that you can calculate any numbers you want on speculation. You really can, but what is the value there? There isn't any. Yeah, I see that as a complete waste of time. So I've seen a couple others pick up in the media reports oh, it's going to be 50 to $60. These people are just speculating, it's all it is. Let's wait till it comes out. And part of the speculation Mark was because the firm then did a survey to consumers and said would you pay for this service? And of course, I love the results. Right, the results.

Speaker 2 21:31

They use terms like most likely not. What the hell does that mean? Likely right Word ends in L-Y no concrete definition or meaning. Likely right Word ends in L-Y no concrete definition or meaning. So the data they were reporting back it's so vague, it's so high level and it's for a price point that you don't know is accurate. So you're starting off with completely flawed methodology. Yeah, oh, and, by the way, we don't even know what the name of this is called. Yeah, right, so, man, people just got to chill out.

Speaker 3 22:05

We're reasonably certain it's going to be $50 or $60.

Speaker 2 22:07

Right, find something else to talk about, come on, come on Moving on here. Another calculation, one I'm going to break down a bit. So, sell-side research firm Moffitt Nathanson.

Speaker 3 22:20

Yeah. They publish a lot, but they've published a new note predicting that YouTube.

Speaker 2 22:28

TV will reach profitability in 2024. 2024. They're saying they'll have an operating income of $200 million in 2024 and add quote roughly 1.5 million subscribers per year, reaching 12 million subscribers in 2026 and generating nearly 11 billion in revenue. Now here's okay, you can make a prediction based on those numbers. But the problem that I have with these numbers and I've put this on my blog and we've talked about in the podcast before insiders at YouTube have told me that they routinely have up to 20% of all YouTube subscribers on the seven-day free trial plan, or what YouTube calls YouTube TV extended free trials, which in the past have gone from 21 to 30 days to 8 million quote subscribers. They didn't say paying subs, which I give them a huge amount of credit because they accurately and properly disclosed from a terminology standpoint what they have.

Speaker 2 23:37

Subscribers Doesn't mean that they're paying subscribers. So Moffitt Nathanson's report is not taking this into account. They're using 8 million number and just assuming everybody's paying for that. You can't do that, and it's one thing if you're just saying well, here's how many subscribers I think they'll get by 2026. We think they'll add X number every year. Okay, fine, you're making an estimate based on some prior data of how quickly they've had subs. Now, the moment you're talking profitability, you have to base that off of actual metrics of P&L, which they don't have because it's not broken out by alphabet. So my point is just question the data, don't just go with it. Don't just run with it, like I've seen people do. Youtube TV is going to be profitable in 2024. That's complete speculation.

Speaker 3 24:33

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 24:35

A lot of speculative numbers this week.

Speaker 3 24:39

Well, there's nothing else to talk about, Dan.

Speaker 2 24:41

There's always something to talk about Come on. I could go all day long and 50 other things to talk about.

Speaker 3 24:47

That's all right.

Speaker 2 24:49

Let's just do finally here, mark, another one speculating.

Speaker 1 24:55

So somebody asked me.

Speaker 2 24:57

Yeah, and I'm not even going to go into who put this out, because I don't even want to give them the exposure. It's so bad, but there was a report put out highlighting that Bitmovin did a deal with Akamai. Yes, it's public news. Bitmovin's live encoder. It's now been deployed on Akamai and it's integrated with. Akamai calls their media services live.

Speaker 3 25:15

Which is Linode, right? That's basically where it's running.

Speaker 2 25:19

I don't know that it's running Linode. I can't confirm that.

Speaker 2 25:22

I haven't asked or looked at it to be honest. But the report said well, the deal quote raises M&E eyebrows. No, it doesn't, and they're speculating. And what they're suggesting is, because Akamai did a whole bunch of acquisitions previously, that it would make sense for Akamai to acquire Bitmovin. The problem is they're using previous acquisitions that Akamai did that were tied absolutely nothing to video. They were tied to content, acceleration services, CDN software for carriers, front-end optimization platform for mobile delivery, and then says Bitmovin does all those and more what? No, they don't. You don't even understand Bitmovin does all those and more what? No, they don't. You don't even understand what Bitmovin does.

Speaker 2 26:11

So the person who wrote it has no background in our space, no depth, no understanding of what Bitmovin does, and I also thought it was interesting that because they don't have that, they also don't know that Akamai bought nine systems in 2006 to get StreamOS, which at the time was really the live OVP platform in the market. It was pretty much the standard and Akamai ran that for quite some time I forget the exact amount, but I think it was about 18 months and then realized this isn't the business for us to be in and what they said was at the time the business is too small. It doesn't foster us getting additional delivery business, which is what the goal was. Yeah, and it was more important for them really to be vendor neutral where they could work with many different partners based on ingestion and transcoding. Sure, it makes total sense. So this idea now that just because a partnership is done between two vendors, that it's raising speculation that they're going to be acquired, is 100% false and nobody should fall for that.

Speaker 3 27:24

The other thing is because Bitmoven disclosed to me back in a month or two ago yeah, you wrote an article on this.

Speaker 2 27:30

Right, and their revenue, which is in the quote 20s million range in 2023. So Akamai if you listen to what they talk about and who they're acquiring on the cloud security side is looking to acquire companies that can add top-line revenue growth. So how does acquiring a company that did $20 million let's call it under $30 million last year for a company that has over $3 billion in revenue? It's not even 1%. It doesn't add any top-line revenue growth. So there are so many things wrong with the note that was put out. Yeah, that shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry, the technology, what the vendors do. I also thought it was interesting, mark I don't have it in front of me, but some of the terminology they used was factually inaccurate in terms of what they were calling services. For instance, one of the companies Akamai acquired that had to do with CDNs. They call it high-end CDN.

Speaker 3 28:36

High-end.

Speaker 2 28:38

Yeah, what does that mean? How?

Speaker 3 28:39

is that defined?

Speaker 2 28:41

That term doesn't exist in the market as opposed to a low-end CDN. I mean CDN who out in the market, as opposed to a low-end CD. I mean CDN who out in the market, is being like, hey, we've got a low-end CD over here. Yeah, we're low rent, ridiculous, Absolutely ridiculous. So please, just as we say to listeners all the time, question the information. I'm super cool with people having opinions on stuff.

Speaker 3 29:04

You have an opinion, this that makes sense, right.

Speaker 2 29:06

But man, you better step right to the industry if you're going to come with something like because they bought this company and Bitmovin does the same thing. No, Bitmovin's never been a private CDM platform deployed inside telcos. No, Not the case. No. So, Mark, that's what we got this week. Let's see NAB show. Final thing I'll just put on the NAB show because I added one additional session and I don't know if we covered it last week or not, but I'll cover it this week anyway, just in case we didn't.

Speaker 3 29:46

Is that there's going to be a session specifically tied to investing? Yeah, that's right. So with all the high interest rates. I think you mentioned it briefly investing, so with all the high interest rates, did I Well?

Speaker 2 29:52

but no, no, you should. You should highlight it again. Okay, so real quick. With everything going on, high interest rates and borrowing money, some vendors can't get new capital year over year challenging revenue growth numbers. You know what's. What's the market really looking like? What are what are mergers and acquisitions going to look like? How are companies being valued? So we've got a good, really good, panel on day two of the show that's going to discuss that. Um, I'm trying to clear my calendar for everything to sit in that panel myself for the full hour because it's something.

Speaker 2 30:20

I really follow, so that's going to be great. Everything else on the show is looking good, had no cancellations as of yet, two weeks out. It's always good when you got 75 speakers. I'm sure there'll be one or two for hopefully not too bad reasons, but it happens. But in the meantime, if anyone would like a discount code, reach out to me, mark. We sold about 50 tickets just this week alone.

Speaker 3 30:44

Amazing.

Speaker 2 30:45

Which was great considering that Friday was a holiday.

Speaker 3 30:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2 30:50

And we tend to get a good amount of tickets also sold a day of.

Speaker 3 30:54

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Are you able to disclose what attendance will likely be Like what the target is?

Speaker 2 31:00

I think, when we're said and done, we're over 600. Wow, amazing. I think, when we're said and done, we're over 600. Wow. But it's hard to know, since half, just about half, of all tickets every year sold come from 30 days or less. Yeah, and I still have people reaching out today. Oh, I just realized that my meetings are now all on Wednesdays. Now I can come on to the show on Monday. You know what the NAB is like. It's just there's so much going on over four days. Scheduling is just it's difficult for everybody.

Speaker 3 31:30

Yeah that's true.

Speaker 2 31:31

But I'm excited We've got two weeks until we kick that off and then afterwards we'll have some good coverage that you and I will be able to do as well.

Speaker 2 31:41

Yeah for sure. There'll be additional news coming out, but that's what Mark and I have this week. Appreciate everyone listening. Mark, I stopped looking sort of really at stats, but we're I believe we're over 40,000 downloads now and continuing to grow. Every week just gets larger. So, Mark and I appreciate you listening. If you have any questions, reach out to us. Everything I talked about today is already on LinkedIn. You can find all the numbers. But we'll talk to you next week and then we're going to take a week break just before the NAB show and we'll be back right, right the week after. But in the meantime, any questions reach out to us. Hope everyone has a good week, stay safe and hopefully I'll see you with Mark at the NAB show.

Speaker 1 32:20

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