Speaker 1 0:02

Welcome to this week's edition of the Dan Rayburn podcast, the show that curates the streaming media industry news that matters most, unvarnished, unscripted and providing you with the factual data you need to know, without any of the hype, the Pulse of the Streaming Media Industry.

Speaker 2 0:23

Welcome to the Dan Rayburn Podcast. I'm Dan Rayburn, long Co-host Mark Donegan. We are back for another week, friday, march 7th Mark. Fortunately we didn't have too much news this week, which was nice. Also, my voice is doing really well at the end of the week today. Well, that's good.

Speaker 1 0:40

That's good as well.

Speaker 2 0:41

Too bad, we don't have more to talk about Dan. Yeah, true, it helps when your voice is better, but I'm resting it up for the NAB show, so that's what's most important Coming up soon Coming up soon For a while. By the time people are listening to this, it'll be exactly four weeks if they listen within a couple days of us dropping this, so we'll cover that at the end.

Speaker 2 1:00

In terms of some updates on content, let's go through some. We've got some Netflix news, some Disney, some new numbers from Fox, some interesting things from AWS that came out. We'll talk a little bit about Major League Baseball and how fragmented that is and what MLB is working on, but let's start with Hulu. So, as many know, unfortunately Hulu did have a problem with the live stream of the Oscars last Sunday. Not great for the industry as a whole, it's just. It never is. Now, keep in mind it was just Hulu that was having problems. I looked at the stream on Fubo Slim TV, youtube TV and DirecTV Stream. It was all fine.

Speaker 2 1:42

Around 7.45 pm, uh, little, little, uh, one or two I noticed that just things being mentioned on twitter and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it was just like everybody kind of noticed, so it seems like it. It didn't, at least for me, mark what I saw. It wasn't slowly, gradually, over time, growing, it was just out of nowhere. You had a lot of users reporting it. So a couple of things that we saw was uh, authentication issues logging in, and this was the first time I'd seen activation codes instantly expiring. Wow, so people looking to link their hulu account to their tv yeah and given that code you have to type in, they were automatically expired.

Speaker 2 2:26

Oh, that was interesting. I hadn't seen that before. A lot of generic errors with messages of quote. Something went wrong, so Hulu did acknowledge it. Uh, I will give Disney Hulu credit that they're always good on Twitter, just in terms of saying what was going on.

Speaker 3 2:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:43

Uh so, uh, on Twitter, just in terms of saying what was going on. Yeah, so they did. They were fairly quickly replying to people. At 8.43 pm, hulu reported that they'd made an adjustment, which quote should clear things up. They were letting people know they needed to reboot. I did see some users reporting that Hulu had pushed out an update to the app in the past 24 hours, but they weren't saying on Twitter what device they were on.

Speaker 2 3:13

Yeah, that's right, they were frantically trying to text or just message people back and sometimes reply. Some don't, so I don't know if that's actually the case. I didn't see it on my Fire TV, which was the only one I looked at, so I don't know if a software update pushed out to some users caused the case. I didn't see it on my Fire TV, which was the only one I looked at, so I don't know if a software update pushed out to some users caused the problem. We also don't know what percentage of users had an issue, as is the case every time with one of these things. Yeah, that's right. We did get numbers out from Nielsen in terms of total viewership between ABC TV and Hulu, and we got to look that number up, mark, because I don't have it in front of me, but I think it was around 13 or 14 million. So we'll look that up. So what percentage of those viewers were watching on Hulu? We don't know. Nielsen didn't break that out, so unknown here in terms of just the impact. Disney, of course, didn't come out and say anything. Now we thought we were past that.

Speaker 2 4:06

Okay, the stream is working again. But then the stream at the end, even though the show wasn't over, stopped, so they cut off the end of the program, which really there's. Just there's no excuse for. Yeah, whatever automated system you're using and whatnot, I don't know how you haven't baked in 30-60 minutes of extra trigger time there, or you did and the software didn't work right. They might have done that, but I don't know how they set that up. But also, just, why not just leave that manual? Yeah, definitely that's something you should really do.

Speaker 2 4:39

Now I will say I do see this error where shows might cut off in the last minute or two on YouTube, tv and some of the other virtual MVPDs. But what's interesting is when users report that YouTube is very quick to fix that, as are some of the other services, and most of that has to do with just the metadata that comes along with that show in terms of when it starts and stops. And sometimes the broadcast networks don't start and stop on time and that's actually not the virtual MVPDs fault, but you have to take that into account and that is somewhat of a manual process, clearly. So I don't know what fully went on here with the Oscars. I'm not going to go into any other details on what I do. You know may know Um, um, but definitely something that you know wasn't great for the industry overall. What was the total viewership?

Speaker 3 5:28

19, yeah, 19.7 million viewers yeah, and that's yeah, and that's up one percent from last year.

Speaker 2 5:37

Yeah yeah, okay slight slight increase uh, that is an updated number nielsen gave out. The original number was lower. So talk about adding more confusion to the metrics and methodology of live events. They tend to put out a number within the first 24 hours and then two days later they update it. That's a couple million more, depending on which methodology is being used.

Speaker 3 5:58

Yeah, exactly, there was an 18 million number and they said that was down 7%, and then the updated number is 19.7, up one percent.

Speaker 2 6:09

Yeah, okay, so that gives us a rough idea. Let's just say I don't know. Let's say a third of those users were trying to watch on hulu right yeah, six million users. So interesting, as always, with one of these events, I saw multiple people talking about bandwidth crashing. I was like bandwidth crashes now bandwidth that's still a problem so uh, I saw all kinds of things about oh server capacity and they didn't oh, it's always server capacity yeah, guys, they didn't even get to the stream.

Speaker 2 6:41

Yeah, it was authentication issues part of it and obviously some other software issues as well. So unfortunate, but that will continue to happen.

Speaker 2 6:52

Yeah, it's reality if anybody in our industry thinks that streaming is ever going to get to a point where it's as reliable and scalable as broadcast tv. You're fooling yourself, that's right. Fooling yourself now, mark. You know I left a few comments on a few posts here and there, but then it turned into people who were like, well, we can solve this if Netflix deploys caches inside your home. And then it went back to the P2P thing and I was just, I just shut it down.

Speaker 3 7:17

I was like okay carrying on this conversation any further, I'm just ending it right here.

Speaker 2 7:27

If, if we just deploy a fleet of drones, dan right, it's always something where, okay, who's paying for this and who's footing the bill, and so unfortunate. But that is the reality of what we're dealing with with live. Yeah, so let's jump into, uh, dolan Spear Entertainment. Msg Networks. They owe $804 million, which is due on March 26th. So unless they get another extension granted, it was originally due that money in October of last year and they got it extended.

Speaker 2 8:01

But if that debt isn't further extended or restructured, it looks like MSG Networks and its subsidiaries will most likely file for bankruptcy. So what will happen there is unknown. I mean the lenders could foreclose on the MSG Networks collateral which they would use to secure the credit facility. So we'll have to keep an eye on that. It doesn't look like they're going to come up with that type of money. It's already been pushed back five months, so are the creditors going to push it back further? It's always possible. Yeah, sure, I mean I don't know what that means for MSG Networks. What does that mean for Gotham Sports? I don't know how that ties into it. So something to watch at the end of this month? Yeah, uh, so something to watch at the end of this month.

Speaker 2 8:45

Yeah, Uh, let's go into Netflix. So Netflix is doing another boxing event. This time it's going to be uh, a card of all women. So the whole card, the whole lineup, is all women boxers. It'll take place in New York city July 11th at MSG, and it is going to be a rematch of uh to the women who fought during the Jake Paul and Mike Tyson card. Don't have a time in that, as of yet I didn't see one but July 11th. Now, of course, this isn't going to be anything close traffic-wise, to the other boxing event that they had, but I do expect that you have two fighters here that really are the top of their class in the women's side if you follow boxing. So they're definitely going to get a couple million simultaneous or AMA for sure.

Speaker 1 9:33

How much more they get past of that hard to know.

Speaker 2 9:37

Some additional Netflix not news that's being reported as news. So there was a Morgan Stanley Tech, media and telecom conference this week where you had a lot of CEOs speaking. I didn't see anything Mark from it, from any of the CDO CEOs. That was news that we hadn't heard already, except for something we'll cover later from Fox. Yeah, but Netflix CFO said content spending for the company will hit, they think, about 18 billion this year. So a lot of people were covering that as news and you know that was the headline and I guess they just didn't know or missed it. But Netflix had already given out that number multiple times to Wall Street, so that's not a new number. $18 billion was the number they were always using, so that has not changed.

Speaker 2 10:27

We've got some news here from amazon and aew, which is all elite wrestling, so their pay-per-view events are going to come to prime video in the us, canada and the uk for 50 a pop. So you better really like wrestling, uh, 50, and some do for sure. Previously, aew has streamed its pay-per-view events across quite a few different distribution outlets. They've kind of tried everything. So they did Bleacher Report, they did Triller TV, they did YouTube. Of course they also do pay-per-view through traditional cable and satellite providers. But now it's going to become into Prime Video so interesting to see.

Speaker 3 11:12

Does prime drive more traffic?

Speaker 2 11:13

we won't get any pay-per-view numbers? We never do exactly, but I would think they would, because they obviously have a much better reach than, say, triller tv or bleacher report. For sure, for sure, youtube, you know. Okay, maybe not, so I would love to know the numbers between pay-per-view distributed through YouTube versus Prime Video. We'll never get them, but, man, those would be interesting numbers to see yeah they would.

Speaker 2 11:37

They would Some other numbers now these are new. So we got some subscriber numbers from Fox Corporation regarding Fox Nation. So we got some subscriber numbers from Fox Corporation regarding Fox Nation. So at the same investor conference, fox CEO said that Fox Nation had grown to between 2 million and 2.5 million subscribers. Now Fox had never given out a number publicly on that since the service launched in 2018. I did see a lot of people reporting that the number went up, but the $2 million number that was previously reported by the Wall Street Journal was just. It was a guess. Nobody from Fox was quoted, so I didn't take that number as being confirmed. It was an estimate. So $2 million to $2.5 million gives you an idea in terms of niche content. In addition, fox plans obviously to launch their new standalone DTC streaming service by the end of 2025.

Speaker 2 12:31

Ceo Fox didn't give out any more details on the service other than he reinforced again, like they've done nonstop since they announced it, that they're not targeting people with cable TV. They're targeting cord nevers and cord cutters. They are not aiming to get linear TV subscribers to switch. That is not their goal. That's what they say, but still no updated details there in terms of a launch date other than end of this year, aws announced new functionality, what they call GameLift Streams. So this is something that they previously had. It was called game lift servers and allowed what they call double a and triple a game developers to to use their infrastructure for pushing out game mostly. It was mostly game downloads, really, but now game lift streams, as they're calling it, it's going to allow these video game publishers to stream their games online, so it'll be any device or browser that supports WebRTC standard. You'll max out at 180, 180,. You'll max out at 1080p resolution and 60 frames per second.

Speaker 3 13:44

Yeah, so interesting to see them add more services there for that service yeah, this one is a little bit interesting, uh, and I I'm not sure everybody picked up on this, uh, what this really is. Um, in, this wasn't the press release uh blog post we're talking. Yeah, it's a blog post which is quite short.

Speaker 3 14:07

It's only really like three paragraphs and one of them is only like a couple sentences long. But this caught my eye. It said it's the second sentence. In just a few clicks, you can upload games built with a variety of 3D engines with little to no modification provision, streaming capacity in specific AWS regions, and immediately start test streaming. So what this tells me is you know, this isn't a platform that you port your game to and you need to go through this.

Speaker 3 14:42

At least they're claiming. You know, some sort of a refactoring of, like, the architecture of the game, which is one of the big challenges these game platforms have had is just getting content. So if this basically is they're going to, you know, by all rights, run your PC game in the cloud and then, using WebRTC rather than HDMI cable, you're just streaming it, you know, into a browser. I don't know how big the opportunity is, but it's a very interesting approach and I think, with the work I do around gaming, I think they're going to find some market for this Again niche. There's a whole lot of reasons why people are just going to claim why would you do this? You know, I'll just stick with my, you know, my, my high power PC in my bedroom, um, but there's some very good commercial reasons that this could could be quite interesting.

Speaker 2 15:43

Agreed. I also liked the fact that they they called out you know what do you? It's not mid tier developers, indie developers, indie. Yeah, but also some, some larger ones as well, I mean they've got meta using this right now. Um, ubisoft, so that they have some others, uh, but but to your point it's, it's the fact that you can set this up saying in a couple minutes and away you go, and that makes sense when you're a um smaller developer. Yeah, yeah, that is that is going to be the key.

Speaker 2 16:13

They also say you're only paying for what you're using. That's smart, so you're not having to buy all this capacity up front. Yeah, I think I think that makes a lot of sense as well. Um, they do have a pretty simple way to calculate this stream capacity cost Sort of like calculator, I guess you'd call it but just on their website, in terms of where it actually shows you what it would cost. Yes, and it varies here. I'm not going to give out the cost, because it talks about what you're doing in terms of the stream classification, which type of NVIDIA GPU you're running.

Speaker 3 16:49

That's right, or?

Speaker 2 16:50

choosing with different types of CPUs. But the price per hour, if we look at it here, just let's call it in the US, lowest price is $0.77 per hour. Sorry, no, no. Lowest price is $0.50 per hour, yeah, and the highest price is $2.13. Again, this is inside the U? S. This happens to be U S East. Yeah, well, you know, I'd have to run through all these to see what they are. Um, obviously, in in Tokyo it's much more expensive. That's all the way up to $3 and 36 cents, as we expect. But, uh, interesting to see and clearly something that the right developer is going to find a benefit in. Let's next go into human security. In collaboration with Google and Trend Micro, they've said that they've discovered more than 1 million infected connected TV devices, saying it's the largest botnet of CTV devices ever uncovered and disclosed. Now, very important for listeners here. These devices are backdoored, off-brand and uncertified. Android open source powered boxes.

Speaker 3 17:59

Yes.

Speaker 2 18:01

And it builds on an earlier scheme that they called Badbox, which they disrupted in October of last October of 2023. Which they disrupted in October of last October of 2023. But these devices are being used for programmatic click fraud, ad fraud, click fraud, proxy jacking. They said they are in 222 countries and territories. But, very important that you know, google pointed out, these are all uncertified open source Android devices. But a million that's, that's a lot yeah and that's what they discovered.

Speaker 2 18:33

How many more out there they didn't discover, I don't know well have you seen the videos?

Speaker 3 18:37

I mean I think by now most people have but um of these, uh, you know they call them like click farms. Yeah, you know, somewhere in Asia, you know, or Eastern Europe or wherever, but, and it's quite amazing, it's like you'll just see hundreds, hundreds. I mean I've seen some videos. There must have been thousands of devices all powered on, all set up, just basically clicking on stuff. You know it's all that like programmatic ad fraud and you know, literally just racking up clicks. You know there's a huge amount of it and yeah, it's real.

Speaker 2 19:14

I mean, it's real to pick any type of illegal activity, piracy I don't care what it is like criminals not all of them are dumb they're going to find a way around it. Exactly that'll happen again. Yeah, it's, it's just never ending. So you know, it is something that we don't hear much about in the industry, naturally because people don't want to talk too much about it, but it's, mark. I would say it's the same in terms of piracy with streaming. You never see any company coming out and saying here's what it costs us.

Speaker 3 19:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2 19:42

They don't talk what percentage of of streams might be pirate or whatnot. I am constantly checking a bunch of the the sites online, pirate bay and all the others. Just to see what's what's up there and what's trending and it is as a general rule, it is always the latest movies yes, but even the latest movies, because nothing new has really come out since the last one.

Speaker 2 20:07

Yeah, the newest movie that's trending, you know, called the top 10, is actually still a movie that's pretty old, yeah. So Indiana Jones and the dial of destiny oh geez, that is number two right now in the top 10 movies in Pirate Bay. Wow.

Speaker 3 20:23

It came out in 2023.

Speaker 2 20:24

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. So it's, you know, it's you know, it's not, uh, it's not that new, yeah, but uh, that's always, that's always in the in the top there. So piracy thing is always interesting. I wish we had more details on that and companies would talk about it, but it's not too surprising they don't. If you're not familiar with, uh, human security, those guys used to be called white shoot. What was it? White Ops?

Speaker 1 20:49

I think it was.

Speaker 2 20:50

But human security. Go Google that man. They've got great data. It's incredible the stuff that they uncover Everything tied to fraud and whatnot. So you definitely want to follow them. Drop them in your RSS. They publish some really good information. All right, mark, let's get to. Let's get to baseball. I know we covered this a little bit previously and we are only. We were only a couple weeks away. Actually, we are 20 days away from today, from baseball starting, which is incredible.

Speaker 2 21:25

But so the wall street journal did a really good article, just really detailed, spelled everything out in terms of what's going on and the challenges faced by the current MLB commissioner Trying to get all the teams to work together, and so there's a couple of key points here and some good numbers to go through. So ESPN, as we know, is going to basically exit the contract with MLB early at the end of the season. Espn was set to pay $550 million a year from 2026 to 2028 to air 30 regular season games and the home run, derby and the wildcard and a wildcard playoff round. Now individual franchises and MLB can forge their own deals with local regional sports networks and keep that money for themselves. Now, I didn't know this, but the article says that baseball teams derive an average of about 25% of their revenues from local media, which is by far the most of any major American sport, even more so than football. Amazing, yeah, I had no idea. Baseball. Yeah, now MLB's commissioner for the teams. He's proposing a new model which would require teams to cede control of their local rights to the league office and then MLB would package them up and sell them collectively as a unified streaming package. That's what they want to do, and then the fans which is what this should be about could actually purchase the games of their teams they want to see without blackouts, which is the number one request. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 23:02

The issue here is that not all teams are convinced to do this, because the most affluent teams, of course yankees and a couple others, boston you know they're going to demand compensation, to be included because of the following that they have in major markets. That's right. Yeah, so there are nine teams that renegotiated their contracts with what was called Diamond Sports Group, obviously, which is now renamed Mainstream Sports, and they used that group of teams to forge new distribution deals with Comcast, directv, cox, spectrum, a bunch of others, which gives less money than they had previously, but it's a guaranteed revenue stream. Then you have five teams that no longer have any deals with any regional sports network, and these teams are the Diamondbacks, cleveland Guardians, colorado Rockies, minnesota Twins, san Diego Padres, so teams that don't have big markets. As a result, it turns out, many of those teams receive a subsidy from the league as a result.

Speaker 2 24:13

So this is a real mess, and the current system, in which teams control their local media rights and the profits from them, have created such a big difference between all the different teams. Teams and, to give an example, the Wall Street Journal said the Dodgers signed a 25 year, $8.35 billion local TV deal with Time Warner Cable 2013. So look at a major team like the Dodgers or the Yankees Boston they are just getting a lot of money from this. And then you have smaller teams that are getting subsidies because they don't have the major market fans that they're in, or the teams just haven't done well. So the commissioner clearly has his work cut out for him.

Speaker 3 24:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2 24:57

I would say, from a fan standpoint, this is going in the right direction. That's certainly a good place to see it going. But what my concern here is even if the teams cede control to MLB, does that mean you would get, as a fan, all the games from every single outlet? So would you get all the games that are on Fox plus ESPN, plus Prime? You know, prime video? I doubt it, because Yankees are in prime video on some Thursday night. So I still don't think this would give fans all the games. But if it gave them the majority of the games and the key is, with no blackouts, I think that would be completely different from MLB. So interesting to see. But something is going to happen over the next few years and what I did like Mark is the commissioner multiple times has come out and been quoted in all kinds of articles and you seem to do interviews where he's made it clear this is where it's going.

Speaker 2 26:00

We can fight this, we can complain about it, we can mold that we're not getting the money that we used to get and we can keep taking that tactic until we're getting nothing, or we can just understand where our business has already gone yeah yeah, and he's right, otherwise you're being delusional yeah and it reminds me of the, you know, wbds and others of the world who were like, hmm, maybe we should spin out our linear networks, write down some of that value that's right, yes.

Speaker 2 26:31

You know, but why did it take so long? So interesting, just the legacy side of TV and retransmission fees and RSNs and all this of how long these, these folks you know on the corporate side, have held on to this business model. And it's like, guys, you saw this with DVDs, right, Like we've already seen this, that's right. And it's only just in the last 12 months we're really seeing the write downs of some of these linear assets.

Speaker 2 26:58

Yeah you know, astronomical to think about, only because 2025 marks the 31st you know 31st year, when you know streaming sort of started and was invented in 1994. So you always, you always wonder just why they don't see this coming a little bit earlier. Very true, yeah. So what else we got here, mark? That's pretty much it with news this week. Let's go through the nab show, streaming summit, streaming summits coming up. There's some, uh, additional content posts online. Almost everything's up now. Uh, now I did confirm a second keynote on day two. It's going to be at noon, just before lunch, and it is the CEO of a content company Everybody knows by name, which is awesome. I don't consider anything official until I put their photo and bio up online.

Speaker 2 27:55

So it'll be up in the next two or three days. People can check it out. They'll see a blog post, but it's tied into one of these news stories that we've talked about here and the fact that it's the CEO would be great. Great talking about a direct consumer streaming service, uh, so that that'll be added. In addition to that, um added some more speakers mark from uh. Let's see, we had another one from uh. Warner bros discovery, uh, pluto tv. I don't remember if I disclosed the last time tiktok, but they're coming talking about their cd thank you.

Speaker 3 28:26

I think you referenced that Might have.

Speaker 2 28:28

Yeah, I never remember when things drop in and when I can announce them or not. Yeah, that's right. Once I put it up on LinkedIn, I know it's official.

Speaker 3 28:36

Yeah, that's right. Well, it's up. It's definitely up there. I've seen it. Yeah, it went up yesterday, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 28:41

So we're about four weeks out actually four weeks out from just another two days so everything's looking really good. Super, super happy with the content Definitely more presentations and fireside keynote chats and case studies. This year, vendors stepped up with some really great customers, which is awesome to see. I'm already starting to see all the posts on LinkedIn about you know, I'll be at the show. Come on by. What I would say for any vendors listening you're exhibiting the show. I'll be at the show. Come on by. What I would say for any vendors listening you're exhibiting at the show. Don't put up another LinkedIn post that says check us out at booth 400, come see me. Why? Why would I come see you? You gave me no call to action. That's what almost 99% of everything I'm seeing is. I'm going to Vegas. I'll be in booth 200. Come by and say hi. Do you want people to come by and say hi? Yeah, do you want people to come by and say hi? Do you want to give you business?

Speaker 1 29:27

which one do you?

Speaker 2 29:27

want. So if you're going to post something, be like I'll be in this booth. We're going to be showcasing these three key things that have changed from last year. It gives somebody a reason to attend. Otherwise it's just so many different posts going up, especially when it's from this you know same company but you have 10 employees putting. Especially when it's from the same company but you have 10 employees putting it up. It's too much. I think companies should lock down who's allowed to post meeting up to NAB from their company. But as usual, there's a lot going on. I've gotten a couple of requests from people about all the parties and whatnot. I can't keep track of them all. Honestly, I can't. I don't get to go to any of them either, so I'm too busy. But uh, I I wish I'd looked it up, mark, beforehand. But there is an org that puts out a list of all the parties and events every year. They're collecting it. I forget who it is.

Speaker 3 30:18

Uh, yeah, I forget too.

Speaker 2 30:20

And they reached out and I should know, but I totally, but I'll make sure'll make sure that we promote that on the podcast.

Speaker 3 30:28

Yeah, it's a good idea because those are tremendous networking opportunities. Yeah, yeah, it's where the industry gathers is, these cocktail parties and various events.

Speaker 2 30:40

So it can be. Just note that you know there's. There's far too many of them. You can. You can only get to so many events. Pace yourself.

Speaker 3 30:49

That's right.

Speaker 2 30:50

And also some events are just a lot more targeted than others, which is the other thing I like. Some are just targeting very specific type of attendees, so that's always good to see, or it's a particular vertical market that they're pulling people in from, so I always like seeing that as well. Broadcastprojectscom that's who it is.

Speaker 3 31:18

Okay.

Speaker 2 31:18

So every year those folks have put it out Broadcastprojectscom. Right now they're accepting everyone to load up all their events, so I'll make sure to push that out. There is a lot going on. And also that Monday of the show, april 7th, is the NCAA March Madness Final Four game. So there's all kinds of tie-ins there as a result of basketball, if people are into that. So there'll be plenty to do. And I also just wonder how many people are just going to go to a sports betting floor, one of the casinos, just to watch the games, because you'll have the game. You'll have the game on there and all the tvs. So, yeah, that's gonna be a lot of options. I won't be there, but everybody else will be there, probably having a good time, which is great. But if you have any questions around the show, reach out. Still giving out discount codes. I will be doing that right up until the very last minute. Even if you roll up at the show, come find me. If you don't have discount code and you're just buying a ticket that day, it'll still work the one I have. It comes with access to the exhibit floor. I'm getting a lot of questions around that. Any conference pass you buy to the show automatically gives you access to the exhibit floor.

Speaker 2 32:30

My Sunday night CDN customer meetup at 5 pm. That's growing really well. A lot more large CDN customers are in there. So if you're looking to attend that, you have to be a content owner. Broadcaster. Sports league last mile provider Sunday night, 5 pm in the west hall. So hit me up with um, you're basically who you are, because it can't come if your vendor has to be content owners. But, uh, if you get past that, then I'll let you know the location. But that that'll be great because we're going to have the largest companies there, the ones that have their own diy cdn as well. You know, the youtubes, netflix of the world will be there as well. Multiple people from the company. So I'm really excited for that meetup.

Speaker 2 33:11

99% of everything I hear there I probably won't be able to talk about on the podcast or blog about, but it's still great to know what the guys are doing. So that's what we got this week. Let us know if you have any questions. Mark and I will be back for the next four weeks in a row. We will take a break, obviously during the actually next three weeks. We'll take a one week break, but we actually might, mark, we might be able, depending when I get back to a podcast right after the show, which would be great very good just recap what we saw, highlights of that, but if you have any questions, let us know.

Speaker 2 33:46

Mark and I appreciate you listening, reach out anytime. Everyone have a good week, be safe, appreciate everybody coming back every week. Listen, viewership is going up, mark, for every single one downloads just continues to grow, so that's awesome to see Any questions. Let us know. Thanks very much. See you next week Awesome to see any questions, let us know. Thanks very much See you next week.

Speaker 1 34:06

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