Speaker 1 0:02

Welcome to this week's edition of the Dan Rayburn podcast, the show that curates the streaming media industry news that matters most, unvarnished, unscripted and providing you with the factual data you need to know, without any of the hype, the Pulse of the Streaming Media Industry.

Speaker 2 0:23

Welcome to the Dan Rayburn podcast. I'm Dan Rayburn Back for another week. Co-host Mark Donegan. Friday, march 28th week before NABs, when we're recording this.

Speaker 3 0:34

Countdown.

Speaker 2 0:34

Yeah, countdown, countdown to Vegas. Everything's ready, good to go, mark just in case you weren't aware, we do not provide childcare at the NAB show. Really, yeah, yeah, really. No, shocking right? You don't have a, in case you weren't aware we do not provide child care at the NAB show. Yeah, yeah, I know Shocking right.

Speaker 3 0:47

You don't have a niece that wants to come hang out, and you know, that was the question I got this week.

Speaker 2 0:54

You know, sometimes I wonder if people are just messing with me with the questions.

Speaker 3 0:57

But this was a legit question.

Speaker 2 0:59

Like they were serious. They called up They'd never been before and you know I said okay, no, no problem, we don't provide that. Yeah, I did ask so, by the way. I'm just curious have you been to any conference in the industry? It's ever provided child care? And they're like no, no, so okay, well that was. That was the odd question of the week, but other than that, if you don't ask, you know.

Speaker 3 1:19

As the saying goes, right, you know, sure you don't know if you don't ask, it's okay.

Speaker 2 1:24

I'll take those questions all day.

Speaker 1 1:26

That was a new one.

Speaker 2 1:27

I'd never gotten that one in all the years of the show.

Speaker 2 1:29

That's right. Everything's ready to go, program's up, all speakers are up. I was promoting a lot more this week Cocktail party's ready to go, still handing out free tickets for anyone who recently got laid off and still have discount codes for anyone who wants to buy a ticket. Reach out to me. I'll also be providing both of those on site the day of as well. So just text, call me Easy to find my number on LinkedIn, blog, podcast, everywhere else.

Speaker 2 1:56

So let's jump into the news. This week, mark, we've got some things here from MLB, geostar, directv, netflix. We've got some YouTube shorts, endeavor, going private. Let's just start here with Geostar. So Geostar announced that GeoHotStar, which is the streaming platform that was formed when GeoCinema and Disney Plus Hotstar merged, now has over 100 million subscribers, which is pretty amazing. So while they didn't say those 100 million subscribers, which is pretty amazing, so while they didn't say those are paying subscribers, they are because, aside from a limited time deal where you could get certain paid wireless customers or Reliance Geo could get Geo Hotstar for 90 days at no cost kind of just a bundle. Other than that you have to be a paying subscriber, there's no longer free options like there used to be. So 100 million plus subscribers for geo hot star. That's the latest number from them.

Speaker 2 2:55

Yeah, going to some more sports news here. Unfortunately, for anyone who's listening, who tried to stream major league baseball already knows this. But on opening day, on thursday, march 27th, mlbcom and mlb tv app was having problems. Long list of issues lots of error messages, video errors, network error, playback error, trouble loading the game mark. Some people were unfortunately getting a screen that said no games scheduled for today. Oh no, yeah, so that's not good.

Speaker 3 3:28

Yeah, opening day Opening day no games yeah.

Speaker 2 3:33

Yeah, I'll cancel it today.

Speaker 3 3:35

Yeah, everything's canceled.

Speaker 2 3:36

So I saw the weather's not good enough in Arizona.

Speaker 2 3:39

I saw it trending on Twitter twice in the top five, mlb was trending and MLB TV was trending, which is not good, yeah. So I quickly tried to log in. I had problems authenticating in the app. I finally got in the desktop. The only thing I was getting was a black screen. Nothing would load, so not good for MLB. Of course, we haven't gotten any information from them of just what happened. I don't expect that we will. They did recently not that long ago migrate off of a lot of just legacy stuff that they were on still from the bam tech days so they move a lot of their cloud infrastructure and everything off.

Speaker 2 4:18

But the interesting thing here is mlb hasn't put out in quite a long time the number of subs they have for MLBTV, but it's small. If I told people the number, they'd be like what that's it. But remember, baseball is just not that popular a sport in the US when compared, of course, to football and basketball from a sub count number. So there's also lots of ways now to get your teams through other services besides MLBTV. So they just don't have a lot of subscribers. So for them to have that type of major outage they had it's not good to see. It's not as if, hey, we were doing the you know Tyson Paul boxing event there. So unfortunate to see that fans were not happy. It's also a premium service where you pay, you know, a good amount of money for that service. What is it? $149, $147 a year for some of the packages, so not cheap.

Speaker 2 5:17

They expect it to work. I've not heard if they're going to be doing any sort of partial refunds. I haven't seen them talk about anything there. Also, people have been asking me, mark, just what the problem was. I don't know. I didn't reach out to MLB. I didn't have time to look at the challenges other than to look at a lot of the screenshots and photos people were sharing online.

Speaker 3 5:37

Yeah, I mean, don't you know, dan, it's because they weren't streaming low latency.

Speaker 2 5:42

Oh, the low latency, that's the issue.

Speaker 3 5:44

Yeah, yeah, that's the issue. Yeah, low latency would have fixed it.

Speaker 2 5:48

Well, you know, it's interesting because one of the things I did want to check on opening day was just the latency.

Speaker 3 5:52

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 5:53

But I couldn't get into the app, so I'll do that at some point. Let's go into some more sports news here. So, directv man, they're crushing it with all these RSN options that they're offering. So they just added to their what they call their my Home Team Bundle. They just obtained streaming rights from Spectrum Sports and MLB to add Sportsnet LA, which is Dodgers and Lakers, also the MLB five-owned teams Cleveland Guardians, twins, rockies, diamondbacks, padres. So they're expanding their my home team local into what's called the my Sports, one of the my Sports options they have. But to wrap this up, directv now offers local coverage for 22 RSNs or team channels, which represents 18 MLB teams, 16 NBA teams and 10 NHL franchises. That's pretty incredible how many they've added.

Speaker 2 6:53

The my Home Team bundle costs $20 a month. It's an add-on for my sports customers only in select markets right now. It's still rolling out to some additional markets. But I like the pricing. I like the flexibility of how you can put it into the sports bundle or not if you don't care about sports, and the amount of teams they continue to add is really, really good. I also have been testing the service more Mark the DirecTV service, not so much tied to their hardware that they have. I've been using it on Amazon and Apple and some others, but I've played around with the hardware a little bit. I don't really think that's the value in the service. Yes, the hardware and the remote gives you a little bit of additional functionality, but I like the fact that it just runs on the other platforms.

Speaker 3 7:42

Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 7:43

Let's go back to, or let's go do, some additional quick news really fast here on sports. So another thing from Sportsnet LA. They launched a new platform which gives you access to all the Sportsnet LA programming. So that includes Dodger games as well. That's $30 a month or $200 for the season and that's available in the MLB app the Mariners baseball team and its RSN network. They announced something called Root Sports Stream platform, so $20 a month. You can get that Peacock. I missed this news, just didn't put it up a week ago. But they launched in-market streaming of NBC Sports RSNs. So that's an add-on subscription in the Bay Area, boston, california and Philadelphia and prices range from $18 to $25, depending on the city and the location. Another thing here is Amazon Prime Video. They've done a deal with UEFA, so they're now broadcasting men's national team soccer in the UK at a pay-per-view cost of $2.50 per game. So that's interesting to see them do pay-per-view per game yeah, really per game. And the deal also covers the European qualifiers for the 2026 FIFA World Cup and European international friendlies as well. So it's a small region. It's the four home nations from the UK Does include Republic of Ireland, but interesting, more pay-per-view there from Amazon.

Speaker 2 9:17

And then a couple stats here. In sports, the Dodgers and Cubs 2-0 Tokyo series. They drew an average of just under 600,000 viewers in Fox Sports, which is a 59% increase over the previous season. Opening Korea series games. And then we have some other numbers here from Fox. Let's see the series opening game drew 838,000 viewers and it peaked at just over 1 million. So what does that show you about baseball? Like I mentioned before, 600,000, 838,000 you're peaking at a million. Those are just not big numbers. And and that's on TV. We've got some more numbers here from the NCAA. The first 16 games, which is the first round, were the most watched game of any opening day in tournament history. So the four game windows across CBS, tbs, tnt and True TV averaged 9.1 million viewers.

Speaker 2 10:19

And then the final stat here is there's something called Unrivaled, which is women's basketball three on three. It's a basketball league, I wasn't aware of that. That averaged 221,000 viewers across TNT Sports and TrueView. The championship match averaged 364,000 and peaked at 385,000. So I give these out because I know that's a lot of numbers and you won't remember them all. But just think of the numbers here that we just gave out. They're pretty much all under a million. One peaked at just above it. So viewership for a lot of sports out there. Even though we still talk about live streaming of sports online, there's just a few sports and we know that's NFL at the top of the list that really draws a large audience. The rest actually tend to be quite small, mark.

Speaker 2 11:14

Let's go to Netflix. Netflix announced it's now streaming HDR10 plus content for AV1 enabled devices. So that's new. But keep in mind this is only available on Netflix's premium plan, because that's the only plan that allows 4K. So $25 a month if you want that. Netflix did say in their blog post AV1 SDR is the second most streamed codec behind H.264 AVC. I don't think that shocks anybody, but, man, I love how much information Netflix tends to give out over the years on encoding and what they're seeing in trends and specs and codecs. Also, they say that their library now has over 11 000 hours of hdr titles. But notice that's hours, not shows.

Speaker 3 12:07

Big difference there what I took away, dan, from this netflix announcement is maybe it's not fair to say it's the first time, but it's a very credible reference of where AV1 is now. I would say on par with a premium streaming experience that traditionally was delivered with HEVC, and you know that's a result of the HDR10, you know the 10 plus integration and you know the fact that Netflix is encoding using AB1 for their premium 4K. You know their quote-unquote best content. I say quote-unquote not because it's not, but you know so. I think that's pretty notable for those people who have been sort of either waiting for AB1 to kind of really be real or if they were relegating it to kind of user generated and you know sort of the again in quotes lower quality content.

Speaker 2 13:06

Yeah, agreed, and it's also depending on who you talk to and what the approach is, because I know others out there are just doing SDR 1080p and down for AV1.

Speaker 3 13:15

And then that's a very good point, and in fact that's where Netflix started in India, if I recall correctly.

Speaker 2 13:21

Outside the US, yeah. Yeah, very low bit rate, low resolution, and so yeah, you also have the issue in terms of just okay, you're moving more to AV1, that gives you lower exposure to the HEVC patent pool. So I know some companies are doing things there as a result. I'm not saying Netflix is, but that's also not to say that there's not necessarily going to be patents tied to EV1.

Speaker 3 13:43

Yeah, that's still. Everybody thought that's still up in the air.

Speaker 2 13:45

Yeah, but interesting how some are doing HEVC exclusive to UHD and others are not. So just goes to show there's not one size fits all.

Speaker 2 13:52

Yeah that's right. Let's go real quickly to YouTube. Man, for all the talk of your measurement, engagement, all this in our market Mark, which I'll talk more about in my opening keynote, the NAB show it's fascinating that 25 years into what I'll call an industry, 30 years of the tech, 25 years into the industry, measurement in our industry is a joke. I mean, it's just absolutely pathetic what metrics these companies are using to determine what a viewer is and then not even defining it. Monthly active users, whatever, whatever they want to call their, their methodology.

Speaker 2 14:29

And yeah, here's just another example of you know, youtube is now going to change the way it counts views on its youtube shorts. So, starting march 31st, views are now going to be counted by the number of times a video begins to play or replay, but there's no longer a minimum watch time requirement Now. In the past, a view was counted after a short video was viewed for a certain number of seconds, but YouTube never disclosed what the length was, because they said they didn't want people to game the system. That's a weak response, but at least you had to watch for a certain period of time. Now you could click on a video accidentally and it's going to be counted as a view.

Speaker 3 15:12

Well, or you just have a click farm that's clicking on videos, right?

Speaker 2 15:18

True, that's a separate problem. Yeah, but yes, I mean you still could have that accelerated now because it's easier to game the system. Yeah, now at least I will give YouTube credit. They say that creators that still like the original metric can still navigate it to it in the advanced mode within YouTube analytics. I see, but they're now calling that engaged views, which I think is pretty funny, because, again, what's your definition of engaged? Well, they watched it for a period of time. Okay, what's that period of time? Well, we can't tell you.

Speaker 3 15:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 15:52

So it just reminds me of other services that define MAU is. You know you opened the app but you didn't play a video. All these metrics are vague, undefined Nielsen stuff. You know you opened the app but you didn't play a video. All these metrics are vague, undefined Nielsen stuff. You know they released two separate sets of numbers before and after, and then it's like well, now we're going to include it with the actual customer data. It's fascinating to see how little transparency there is into pretty much everything we watch. There isn't a single service. I've seen Mark. I might have missed a game here or there or a live event, but outside of some of the stuff with GO and the cricket games, we don't even know the average viewing time of live events. The basics we don't even have. So I'm going to cover a little bit of this during my keynote, but just another example of YouTube where it's now just well, if someone clicks on it, it's a view.

Speaker 2 16:41

It's a view Wild. Let's cover this news real quick. Endeavor is going to go private with PE firm Silver Lake. It's changing its name to WME Group. So, according to them, when you combine the value of TKO Group, which is the parent of UFC and WWE, into Endeavor, they're saying the enterprise value is $25 billion. So this would be one of the largest deals where they're going private. Now, privately held Endeavor group holdings will still own controlling stake in TKO and I mean it's incredible just what they have underneath in terms of their brands UFC, wwe, but all the other things that they're doing just with stars in Hollywood. But they will go private. Uh, so that that will happen fairly soon. I don't have a date of when they said that would be completed by, but it should be pretty quick. There's no regulatory approval needed there when you're going private.

Speaker 2 17:48

Let's go to two pieces here of vendor news. So let's go to CDNs real quick, or the topic of CDN. So on February 6th some might have already seen this the bankruptcy court approved the sale of select Egeo assets what was called Parler for $7.5 million. So Parler is keeping the Edgecast brand and it's rebranding Parler cloud Technologies into Edgecast Cloud Services, which is owned by Pulse, that's the overarching company. So the company has been working to restart a portion of the Edgecast network which will go live on April 15th for customers with 10 terabits of network capacity from within 25 locations.

Speaker 2 18:40

So some are going to ask how do I know that's the case? Well, they gave me a briefing. They discussed what locations they're in, how much they've added, where they're going, what equipment they bought from Edgecast. So they basically got certain assets in the Edgecast acquisition, specifically hardware in Chicago, dallas, los Angeles, new York, san Jose, so a bunch of US locations, but also Bogota, buenos Aires, amsterdam, frankfurt, tokyo and Singapore. They also acquired the Edgecast complete software stack, so that includes WAF and other non-CDN services. They also got Edgecast ASNs and 6IP blocks. That said, they did not acquire anything from the Limelight brand.

Speaker 2 19:29

I'm seeing some people say Limelight not accurate and nothing from Uplink exactly they hired approximately a hundred former edgy old employees, they said 70% of whom were related to engineering and operations, makes total sense. So going live with 10 terabits. Now a large portion of that is going to be used for their own, their own services parlor, play TV. You know some of the other services that they have. So, yes, initially they're rolling out of the other services that they have. So, yes, initially they're rolling out of the gate with a small amount of capacity. But they said that they plan by the end of the year their goal is to have 50 T's of network capacity, which is close to the approximately 65 T's that they had under Egeo. That portion of the network.

Speaker 3 20:22

So these POPs, these are original that they're just turning back on Correct, they ripped the hardware out, they kept strategic locations that was a good way to do it, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 20:37

Egeo had about 65, I'm sorry it, yeah, absolutely so. Edgio had about 65, I'm sorry. I should say edgecast had about 65 um terabits when it was shut down. At peak it was at 140 back before, you know, a couple years ago, before that happened. Now, of course, two different networks there, right, so it's a little confusing. They're currently not offering delivery in middle east, south asia, eastern europe, africa or austral makes sense. They're international, but they're not truly global in every single country or region where it wouldn't make sense to be Sure the employees they hired were not part of the bankruptcy process.

Speaker 2 21:12

They hired all of them afterwards and their edgecast cloud services are definitely targeting software downloads, vod. You know they'll take on some live traffic, but smart net, they're not trying to go out and get events that have ridiculous peak, you know Superbowl type traffic and they can't handle that anyway. So that is, that is definitely a a good focus. Also, what's different in terms of what's going on here is, unlike the previous Edgecast that was just a CDN, pulse, which now owns, this is a much larger play in terms of a decentralized digital ecosystem Because they own social media platform, streaming platform, e-commerce, payments platform, cloud services, blockchain enabled stuff. It's a lot of moving pieces.

Speaker 2 22:06

So if you check out my post on my blog, I do have a graphic that shows okay, here's Pulse and then here's all the other brands and services they have. Under that, they did disclose 2024 revenue numbers and growth numbers with me. I don't have permission to put them out now, so that's why they're not in the blog post, uh, but over the next few months I think there's some things that they're working on where some some numbers will be released. I'll put it that way. Good, so that's the latest, latest with them. Uh, mark, I'm also working on two other blog posts tied to cdn services. You know two new offerings in the market. One very brand new. The second, a cloud provider that's been out there a while but is now going to disclose regions capacity where they are some of their customers. So I'm working on getting those up before the nab show. That's the goal. So some more cdn news is coming.

Speaker 2 23:00

And then let's close out here with bitmovin so privately held, obviously. Bitmovin at the end of 2023, bitmovin, some might remember. Let me put out a blog post talking about their revenue being the 20s million range. Uh, they've given me an update for at the end of 2024. So the company ended the year. Uh, they reached free cash flow, which is great. As you mentioned in that comment I saw. It doesn't mean they're profitable, but it's free cash flow, which is great yeah uh 2025 revenues in the 30 plus million range.

Speaker 2 23:33

2024 revenue grew by 20 percent. Interesting to see where Bitmoven is getting the growth from. One of the key ways has been with cloud partners. So because they're deployed across the AWS marketplace, google's marketplace and Azure marketplace, customers can buy it through cloud providers, so they've been doing very well there. They said that just from the Azure Media Service migration, they received 400 new logos. Yeah, that's incredible, so that's very good to see. The other thing is they've cut many deals with end-to-end and OVP partners, many of which you've seen put out in press releases, who white-labeled their products. But what was interesting was they said to me that's allowing them to win business that previously they would not be a fit for. So interesting to see how customers are now saying okay, certain customers, well, you're not a fit because you just do this, but if you package it with others now I'm more interested. Yeah, it's not a one size fits all Now.

Speaker 2 24:37

At the same time, bitmoven was very clear to me. They said while our business is growing that's great there's still a lot of cost pressure increases. And they said the average deal sizes are still decreasing across the industry. The media industry is still under a lot of pressure to do more with less. So I think it's great that they called that out. Yeah, more with less. So I think it's great that they called that out and said, hey, we're growing. But, by the way, like, okay, it's getting a little harder to grow overall for the industry because deal sizes are getting smaller. And that's interesting because you don't usually have vendors be that upfront in terms of deal sizes and what they're seeing in the market. So that is great for them to put that information out there because it sets realistic expectations.

Speaker 3 25:21

Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 3 25:23

I like that. I think anybody and I don't believe in any vendors are. But if anybody's in the mode of, you know, waiting for the market to return and investment levels to return, you know bad news, it is not. And you know, yes, people still need to upgrade their technology stacks, they still need to expand. So it's not that they aren't buying, but they are absolutely spending less.

Speaker 3 25:56

And you know, and also the other observation that I've seen, I'm seeing very acutely, is that the days of worrying about, you know, I don't want to say not important things relating to video, and you see this especially in video quality. But you know it used to be that there were very legitimate shootouts. And you know, just because I live in the encoding world, you know, I know that best. And you know it didn't mean that the quote, unquote best product always got selected. But certainly if you were at the bottom you didn't get selected, almost regardless of how cheap you were, unless of how cheap you were. That's shifting and I'm not saying you can be at the bottom, but that is no longer the way to win. You know it isn't. You have to find the right balance of quality, of both. You know delivery, you service your product innovation, but price, yeah, price is important.

Speaker 2 27:01

Well, mark, I'm not going to say the company name name, of course, but, interesting, you mentioned this because I talked to a large uh customer of of cdn services and one of the things they said to me the other day was well, you know, we care about quality because this is the team we're on, delivering great video quality. But you know, somebody higher up the company said, well, okay, but you need to push more of your traffic over here because their price is lower. They were like, ok, but you know that's, they don't have the best quality for the way we measure it. And they said we don't care, push it over, we don't care. Yeah, I was like, oh, interesting, so now cost is the deciding factor for a portion of your traffic, and that is just the reality.

Speaker 3 27:35

For certain it's just the reality for certain for certain customers.

Speaker 2 27:37

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 27:37

I mean we're, you know there's, there are absolutely use cases and there's, you know, and there's premium, you know it's, it's it's strategy as well, right, you know so, and region specific, and there's a lot of factors, but, yeah, there's just some very, very interesting trends. And you know, I, even you know, I don't like always kind of just reverting to oh, all anybody cares about is cost, because there's a whole lot more to it, you know, and the other reality is that the consumer, you know, here's the sad reality. And for those of us who are in the industry, who are really into it, who maybe have really great in the industry, who are really into it, who maybe have really great, you know, audio systems or home theaters or video, or you know, and, and of course, we want the best personally, right, but you know what I can go to. You know I live in a neighborhood with a couple hundred homes. In this particular neighborhood, I could knock on doors and out of a couple hundred homes, I bet there's 195 that are watching HD and think it's amazing, think it's amazing, and yet they'll brag about their 4K TV.

Speaker 3 28:45

You're like, yeah, but you're only watching HD. Oh, doesn't it look great? And then there's. You know there's a small number of us who you know we're. You know we pay for the. You know the premium. You know the premium. You know tier on netflix, etc. Etc. That's just the re. That's just the reality.

Speaker 2 29:03

Yes, I mean, these are businesses, profit and loss matters. We vote with our wallets. I think the industry mark has gotten well past the hey. You know 4k is a saver here and I think vendors clearly realize that. But uh, it's. It's always good and I always appreciate anytime a vendor calls out the challenges and the restraints that they're seeing in the market because most don't right. It's always just like everything's great, or growth is, yeah, growth is incredible.

Speaker 3 29:27

Yeah, but your average deal size is down.

Speaker 2 29:29

It's getting smaller, yes, now bitmoven also gave out one other number here to me which said that their vod encoding volume was up 40 percent yeah, this was the largest product by revenue.

Speaker 2 29:39

So it's really doubling down on VOD encoding, investing in some AI things as well not surprising tied to its player. And then it's you know they said their focus for 2025 is very similar to last year, so it'd be very efficient with their money, their sales and marketing functions, how they spend money, improve margins, invest more in R&D, improve both EBITDA and cash flow, which are both positive. So that's good. And then I threw in here Mark, just in the blog post, because I think it's important to remember that their last round of funding was $25 million in 2021. So they haven't taken money in four years. They've raised $68 million to date.

Speaker 2 30:17

So that's important because post-pandemic and during the pandemic, a lot of companies took a lot of money and a large chunk of money, some of it over, some of them around of over a hundred million dollars. So Bitmovin has been around a long time 68 million to date. Right, they haven't taken ginormous rounds, which is great, set real expectations in the market. And how many private companies put out revenue numbers? Almost none. So love just the focused approach to the market, not only just in the product line but in terms of how they communicate. So always great to see, I wish more privately held companies did that. I wish more privately held companies did that. So, mark, that's what we got for this week. As far as NAB, I don't think there's anything else I need to talk about there, because I haven't added maybe one additional speaker. But other than that everything's ready, program's ready, logistics were set, I will say that anyone who's going who bought a ticket, you'll have a chance to win Amazon Fire TV sticks.

Speaker 3 31:19

So, thanks to amazon, they shipped out a whole box of them to me I was gonna say, based on the picture on linkedin, you've got what about 20 or something there I think that was a dozen, but I have additional ones as well that I've acquired I'm also going to acquire some other streaming boxes, just so we can hand some more out.

Speaker 2 31:35

But it was nice and shipping to me because, again, as we've talked about, you can't buy more than two or three on amazon and I can't buy any because it's like you already bought these recently.

Speaker 3 31:44

You gotta wait and then I went to staples too much.

Speaker 2 31:50

Yes, and so you can't get them there either, because they're not in stock and so, man, it's so hard to get these in bulk. So, appreciate, the fire tv team doing that shipped them out. We'll hand them out as raffles. Just, we're going to put, like hey, you want a device thing underneath those random chairs randomly. And also, mark, this is new for listeners If you go to the session where I'll be sitting down with the CMO of LG advertising, we're going to be giving out a 75 inch TV. Yep, thanks to.

Speaker 1 32:21

LG.

Speaker 2 32:22

So more to come on that but if you have any questions around the show, reach out to me. Mark and I are going to take a break next week as we head out to Vegas, but then we'll be back for three more podcasts in April. We'll also do a recap, mark, after NAB, of course, of what we saw. There'll be a lot to talk about there. Some news I've already seen that'll come out, but in the meantime, if you have any questions, let us know. We appreciate everyone listening, everyone. Have a good week and hopefully we see you out at NAB. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1 32:52

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